tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post5136009685709817993..comments2022-04-11T07:57:55.744-07:00Comments on Urban Legends of Science: About That Wine ExperimentMChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00534318496221830941noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-57024806131536146372022-02-21T08:54:38.677-08:002022-02-21T08:54:38.677-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Rental Mobil Jakarta Semaranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631962427006411890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-16085511018479321242021-05-04T00:31:49.816-07:002021-05-04T00:31:49.816-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Boutique Winehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009927654713200795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-57809990725528995522020-04-09T20:05:25.519-07:002020-04-09T20:05:25.519-07:00They were replying to a different comment by haloj...They were replying to a different comment by halojones-fan to clarify about the wines. <br /><br />halojones-fan "'The undergraduate subjects came into the lab one week and were given a glass of a red wine and a glass of a white wine...both Bordeaux...'<br /><br />uh so they were given wine made from the same kind of grapes and they...weren't able to tell the wines apart..."<br /><br />They probably won't see your comment as they provided their clarification in 2015.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16474256712332476992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-6041066118958612382020-03-27T05:59:37.580-07:002020-03-27T05:59:37.580-07:00The red wine was white wine dyed red... Did you e...The red wine was white wine dyed red... Did you even read it? Genesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04455896669419675751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-45718810363584549542018-09-09T22:58:35.201-07:002018-09-09T22:58:35.201-07:00Mat,
The forced choice issue was even more distor...Mat,<br /><br />The forced choice issue was even more distorting than you described. The study (page 4) says: ""The subjects were asked to indicate for each descriptor of their list which of the two wines most intensely presented the character of this descriptor. " Given that the subjects saw the color of the wine, and were not told to judge only on the odor, the fake red wine was in fact the correct choice for the red descriptors - the odor did not match at all, but the color implied by the descriptor did, so the red colored wine in actually fact "most intensely presented the character of the descriptor."<br /><br />If the published description of the test is accurate, then the data do not support any of the stated conclusions, because the subjects objectively gave correct and accurate responses.<br /><br />It is interesting to note that the bar-charts in figure 3 to show that the sham samples were actually juged differently than real red wine. In session 1, roughly 1.3 times as many red descriptors were used as were white descriptors, while in session two, fewer red than white descriptors were used. This means that the subjects did perceive that session 2 was different that session 1. Oddly, the authors do not comment on this aspect of their data which contradicts their conclusion.<br /><br />Of course, the typical higher acidity and higher alcohol content of red would be missing in this scent and color only test, so stating that this study had any relevance to actual wine tasting would simply be bad journalism. Bad journalism about bad science. What a sad waste of nice French wines! But if people believe such reporting, it means there will be more nice wine for your and I....scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01757458132174722580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-77617200712742561142017-10-09T15:51:08.866-07:002017-10-09T15:51:08.866-07:00Bordeaux is a region. Not a grape. Several varieti...Bordeaux is a region. Not a grape. Several varieties of both white and red are grown in the areaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17734159667832880302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-9173186830382690572017-04-07T20:46:42.952-07:002017-04-07T20:46:42.952-07:00Out of curiosity, I read the published study. The ...Out of curiosity, I read the published study. The conclusion of Morrot's "The Color of Odor" study is about how our sense of vision acts as a force of suggestion on our olfactory senses. We see red wine, so we expect to smell red wine, so we are biased when we judge the scent (even for wine enthusiasts). The "wine experts are a scam" commentary is click-bait BS. If he wanted to say people can't tell the difference between red and white, a simple blind tasting (or smelling) would do that quite decisively. He didn't design the experiment that way because that's not what he was trying to study.<br /><br />So no, he didn't prove that all wine tastes the same, or that wine experts are a sham, but he was never trying to do that in the first place. In short, I believe his conclusion that vision affects our olfactory perception of wine WAS shown and it WAS good science but he did not prove this imaginary conclusion that everyone keeps fabricating when they circulate this story.<br /><br />I realize that you probably sensationalized your post a little, but you seem ready to trash this guy's dissertation based on a paper I think you misunderstood.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589969134932851214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-64689671754474065552017-01-14T17:47:39.627-08:002017-01-14T17:47:39.627-08:00Being an ethusiasts and drinking a lot of wine doe...Being an ethusiasts and drinking a lot of wine doesn't make you any more a wine expert than playing Pick-up games on the weekends. There wouldn't be Wine Schools if you could do that, and what the fuck does being young have to do with this. And old ass dinosaur wine student is just as green as an infant. BeepBoopLoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530635339191862346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-88681203405843772912016-11-26T22:54:50.367-08:002016-11-26T22:54:50.367-08:00Dude, you're being completely biased. First of...Dude, you're being completely biased. First off, you created this blog for the sole purpose of trying to discredit this one experiment based on wine tasting. <br /><br />Second, you're lying about the way the test was conducted and about the results as well. If you read the actual paper, the information is clearly stated and it's compatible with what was spread by the midia. <br /><br />Also, you mention that enology undergraduates are not wine experts. How can you say that? Most students in this field are wine ethusiasts and drink a lot of it. Many of the come from families with a tradition of wine tasting. They will work on this field one day...<br /><br />But i know you're saying that because you believe they don't understand about wine because they're too young, right? You're a age snob as well, ain't ya?MirrorBeinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220725011508650278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-81130559971489312612016-01-15T14:37:53.542-08:002016-01-15T14:37:53.542-08:00All of that is fine, but it's ignoring Hodgson...All of that is fine, but it's ignoring Hodgson's test, where a panel of NOT random volunteers or even wine students, but highly respected experts in the field, judged the exact same wine with an average spread of +/- four points? One in ten managed to keep their scores within plus or minus two, but that means that several were even WORSE than plus or minus four.<br /><br />Oh, and lest this be regarded as a one-off fluke, they've done the same test for several years now and the results are consistently inconsistent.<br /><br />It's not as spectacular as "can't tell red from white", but if even experts can't give two sips from the same bottle the same score within a point or two, that throws the results of all wine competitions where the difference between a "gold" and "bronze" medal is only a few points into question.Bob Funchesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16982259740969935032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-77261556450574502472015-12-21T20:03:03.510-08:002015-12-21T20:03:03.510-08:00Actually, white bordeaux is made from completely d...Actually, white bordeaux is made from completely different grapes to the red stuff. It's just from the same place.Perry Mason-Dixon Investigatorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11652689553359145130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5602276226569014336.post-42761037220192375152015-12-21T10:04:26.491-08:002015-12-21T10:04:26.491-08:00"The undergraduate subjects came into the lab..."The undergraduate subjects came into the lab one week and were given a glass of a red wine and a glass of a white wine...<b>both Bordeaux...</b>"<br /><br />uh so they were given wine made from the same kind of grapes and they...weren't able to tell the wines apart...<br /><br />:|halojones-fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05473935330204075559noreply@blogger.com